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The majority voted against a [http://www.openaustralia.org/debates/?id=2011-07-05.39.2 motion] moved by Leader of the Opposition [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Tony_Abbott&mpc=Warringah&house=representatives Tony Abbott]. This means that it was unsuccessful. The motion was:''That so much of the [http://www.peo.gov.au/learning/fact-sheets/standing-orders.html standing and sessional orders] be suspended as would prevent the Member for Warringah moving immediately:''''That the [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Prime Minister] immediately explain why she is so determined to deceive the Australian people about the details of her carbon tax(By "carbon tax", Mr Abbott is referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Australia carbon pricing mechanism], which will begin on 1 July 2012.
) by refusing to release the details for the full scrutiny of the Parliament this week. In particular:''''(1) why should anyone trust:''''(a) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth on the carbon tax now, when, six days before the election, she said that "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead";(Read more about this promise, made by Prime Minister [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Julia Gillard], on ABC's [http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4369060.html The Drum].)''''(b) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when, one day before the election, she said "I rule out a carbon tax";''''(c) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when she said only yesterday that "when I'm in a position to give people the details about a carbon tax I will" yet is refusing to release the details to this Parliament and is hiding from scrutiny;''''(d) this Prime Minister when she is trying to sneak through a carbon tax without a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_%28politics%29 mandate] when the only real mandate of this Parliament is a mandate NOT to introduce a carbon tax; and''''(e) this Prime Minister who rules out giving people a vote on the carbon tax by refusing to call an election and now refusing to allow a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscite plebiscite]; and''''(2) that the House calls on the Prime Minister to recall Parliament next week to debate her carbon tax and give the answers that the forgotten families of Australia are demanding today.''References- The majority voted against a [motion](http://www.openaustralia.org/debates/?id=2011-07-05.39.2) moved by Leader of the Opposition [Tony Abbott](http://publicwhip-rails.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Tony_Abbott&mpc=Warringah&house=representatives). This means that it was unsuccessful.
- The motion was:
- _That so much of the [standing and sessional orders](http://www.peo.gov.au/learning/fact-sheets/standing-orders.html) be suspended as would prevent the Member for Warringah moving immediately:_
- _That the [Prime Minister](http://publicwhip-rails.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives) immediately explain why she is so determined to deceive the Australian people about the details of her carbon tax(By "carbon tax", Mr Abbott is referring to the [carbon pricing mechanism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Australia), which will begin on 1 July 2012. ) by refusing to release the details for the full scrutiny of the Parliament this week. In particular:_
- _(1) why should anyone trust:_
- _(a) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth on the carbon tax now, when, six days before the election, she said that "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead";(Read more about this promise, made by Prime Minister [Julia Gillard](http://publicwhip-rails.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives), on ABC's [The Drum](http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4369060.html).)_
- _(b) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when, one day before the election, she said "I rule out a carbon tax";_
- _(c) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when she said only yesterday that "when I'm in a position to give people the details about a carbon tax I will" yet is refusing to release the details to this Parliament and is hiding from scrutiny;_
- _(d) this Prime Minister when she is trying to sneak through a carbon tax without a [mandate](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_%28politics%29) when the only real mandate of this Parliament is a mandate NOT to introduce a carbon tax; and_
- _(e) this Prime Minister who rules out giving people a vote on the carbon tax by refusing to call an election and now refusing to allow a [plebiscite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscite); and_
- _(2) that the House calls on the Prime Minister to recall Parliament next week to debate her carbon tax and give the answers that the forgotten families of Australia are demanding today._
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representatives vote 2011-07-05#1
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- The majority voted against a [http://www.openaustralia.org/debates/?id=2011-07-05.39.2 motion] moved by Leader of the Opposition [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Tony_Abbott&mpc=Warringah&house=representatives Tony Abbott]. This means that it was unsuccessful.
- The motion was:
- ''That so much of the [http://www.peo.gov.au/learning/fact-sheets/standing-orders.html standing and sessional orders] be suspended as would prevent the Member for Warringah moving immediately:''
''That the [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Prime Minister] immediately explain why she is so determined to deceive the Australian people about the details of her carbon tax[1] by refusing to release the details for the full scrutiny of the Parliament this week. In particular:''- ''That the [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Prime Minister] immediately explain why she is so determined to deceive the Australian people about the details of her carbon tax(By "carbon tax", Mr Abbott is referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Australia carbon pricing mechanism], which will begin on 1 July 2012.
) by refusing to release the details for the full scrutiny of the Parliament this week. In particular:''
- ''(1) why should anyone trust:''
''(a) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth on the carbon tax now, when, six days before the election, she said that "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead";[2]''- ''(a) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth on the carbon tax now, when, six days before the election, she said that "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead";(Read more about this promise, made by Prime Minister [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Julia Gillard], on ABC's [http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4369060.html The Drum].)''
- ''(b) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when, one day before the election, she said "I rule out a carbon tax";''
- ''(c) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when she said only yesterday that "when I'm in a position to give people the details about a carbon tax I will" yet is refusing to release the details to this Parliament and is hiding from scrutiny;''
- ''(d) this Prime Minister when she is trying to sneak through a carbon tax without a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_%28politics%29 mandate] when the only real mandate of this Parliament is a mandate NOT to introduce a carbon tax; and''
- ''(e) this Prime Minister who rules out giving people a vote on the carbon tax by refusing to call an election and now refusing to allow a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscite plebiscite]; and''
- ''(2) that the House calls on the Prime Minister to recall Parliament next week to debate her carbon tax and give the answers that the forgotten families of Australia are demanding today.''
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* [1] By "carbon tax", Mr Abbott is referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Australia carbon pricing mechanism], which will begin on 1 July 2012.* [2] Read more about this promise, made by Prime Minister [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Julia Gillard], on ABC's [http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4369060.html The Drum].
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- The majority voted against a [http://www.openaustralia.org/debates/?id=2011-07-05.39.2 motion] moved by Leader of the Opposition [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Tony_Abbott&mpc=Warringah&house=representatives Tony Abbott]. This means that it was unsuccessful.
- The motion was:
- ''That so much of the [http://www.peo.gov.au/learning/fact-sheets/standing-orders.html standing and sessional orders] be suspended as would prevent the Member for Warringah moving immediately:''
- ''That the [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Prime Minister] immediately explain why she is so determined to deceive the Australian people about the details of her carbon tax[1] by refusing to release the details for the full scrutiny of the Parliament this week. In particular:''
- ''(1) why should anyone trust:''
- ''(a) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth on the carbon tax now, when, six days before the election, she said that "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead";[2]''
- ''(b) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when, one day before the election, she said "I rule out a carbon tax";''
- ''(c) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when she said only yesterday that "when I'm in a position to give people the details about a carbon tax I will" yet is refusing to release the details to this Parliament and is hiding from scrutiny;''
- ''(d) this Prime Minister when she is trying to sneak through a carbon tax without a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_%28politics%29 mandate] when the only real mandate of this Parliament is a mandate NOT to introduce a carbon tax; and''
- ''(e) this Prime Minister who rules out giving people a vote on the carbon tax by refusing to call an election and now refusing to allow a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscite plebiscite]; and''
- ''(2) that the House calls on the Prime Minister to recall Parliament next week to debate her carbon tax and give the answers that the forgotten families of Australia are demanding today.''
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* [1] By "carbon tax", Senator Cormann is referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Australia carbon pricing mechanism], which will begin on 1 July 2012.- * [1] By "carbon tax", Mr Abbott is referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Australia carbon pricing mechanism], which will begin on 1 July 2012.
- * [2] Read more about this promise, made by Prime Minister [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Julia Gillard], on ABC's [http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4369060.html The Drum].
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The majority voted against a motion moved by Leader of the Opposition [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Tony_Abbott&mpc=Warringah&house=representatives Tony Abbott]. This means that it was unsuccessful. - The majority voted against a [http://www.openaustralia.org/debates/?id=2011-07-05.39.2 motion] moved by Leader of the Opposition [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Tony_Abbott&mpc=Warringah&house=representatives Tony Abbott]. This means that it was unsuccessful.
- The motion was:
- ''That so much of the [http://www.peo.gov.au/learning/fact-sheets/standing-orders.html standing and sessional orders] be suspended as would prevent the Member for Warringah moving immediately:''
- ''That the [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Prime Minister] immediately explain why she is so determined to deceive the Australian people about the details of her carbon tax[1] by refusing to release the details for the full scrutiny of the Parliament this week. In particular:''
- ''(1) why should anyone trust:''
- ''(a) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth on the carbon tax now, when, six days before the election, she said that "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead";[2]''
- ''(b) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when, one day before the election, she said "I rule out a carbon tax";''
- ''(c) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when she said only yesterday that "when I'm in a position to give people the details about a carbon tax I will" yet is refusing to release the details to this Parliament and is hiding from scrutiny;''
- ''(d) this Prime Minister when she is trying to sneak through a carbon tax without a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_%28politics%29 mandate] when the only real mandate of this Parliament is a mandate NOT to introduce a carbon tax; and''
- ''(e) this Prime Minister who rules out giving people a vote on the carbon tax by refusing to call an election and now refusing to allow a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscite plebiscite]; and''
- ''(2) that the House calls on the Prime Minister to recall Parliament next week to debate her carbon tax and give the answers that the forgotten families of Australia are demanding today.''
- References
- * [1] By "carbon tax", Senator Cormann is referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Australia carbon pricing mechanism], which will begin on 1 July 2012.
* [2] Read more about this promise, made by Prime Minister [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Julia Gillard], on ABC's [http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4369060.html The Drum].- * [2] Read more about this promise, made by Prime Minister [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Julia Gillard], on ABC's [http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4369060.html The Drum].
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Motions — Carbon Pricing- Motions - Carbon Pricing - Suspension of Standing and Sessional Orders
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<p class="speaker">Tony Abbott</p><p>I move:</p><p class="italic">That so much of the standing and sessional orders be suspended as would prevent the Member for Warringah moving immediately:</p><p class="italic">That the Prime Minister immediately explain why she is so determined to deceive the Australian people about the details of her carbon tax by refusing to release the details for the full scrutiny of the Parliament this week. In particular:</p><p class="italic">(1) why should anyone trust:</p><p class="italic">(a) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth on the carbon tax now, when, six days before the election, she said that "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead";</p><p class="italic">(b) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when, one day before the election, she said "I rule out a carbon tax";</p><p class="italic">(c) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when she said only yesterday that "when I'm in a position to give people the details about a carbon tax I will" yet is refusing to release the details to this Parliament and is hiding from scrutiny;</p><p class="italic">(d) this Prime Minister when she is trying to sneak through a carbon tax without a mandate when the only real mandate of this Parliament is a mandate NOT to introduce a carbon tax; and</p><p class="italic">(e) this Prime Minister who rules out giving people a vote on the carbon tax by refusing to call an election and now refusing to allow a plebiscite; and</p><p class="italic">(2) that the House calls on the Prime Minister to recall Parliament next week to debate her carbon tax and give the answers that the forgotten families of Australia are demanding today.</p> <p class="speaker">Anthony Albanese</p><p>Mr Speaker, on a point of order: I do not wish to take up the time of the Leader of the Opposition, which is why the clock has been stopped, but I do raise the issue of whether that motion is in fact a motion and is in order. It seems to me to be a series of questions rather than a motion being put before this House. A number of the motions for suspension that have been moved by the Leader of the Opposition, when we have had time to scrutinise them after the event, have clearly not in fact been motions of this House.</p> <p class="speaker">Harry Jenkins</p><p>Order! I am happy to accept the motion. I would say that I have had a growing concern about some of the matter that has been put into the motions for which the suspensions have been called. It is perhaps something that over the break I should reflect upon. Having not taken action on other motions, I will allow this motion to proceed. I would hope that at some future opportunity we would have less preamble and argument in the proposed motions. I will allow the motion to be debated. It is a motion for the suspension of standing orders. The Leader of the Opposition has the call.</p> <p class="speaker">Tony Abbott</p><p>Mr Speaker, I thank you for your ruling and I also thank the Leader of the House for the courtesy that has been extended. It is very important that standing orders be suspended, because this matter cannot wait. It is urgent that this Prime Minister stand up and explain herself before this House, because this is a Prime Minister who is constantly running away from scrutiny. This is a Prime Minister who wants to indulge in spin and hide from scrutiny. We saw in this parliament today, time after time, ministers who are on strike. That is what we have seen from this government today in question time. We have seen ministers who have been on strike. They have constantly demanded that questions be asked; they have constantly demanded that question time run its full tenure; and then, when questions are duly asked, they go on strike and refuse to answer them. This is a shameful and embarrassing performance from a government that just gets worse every single day.</p><p>The Prime Minister says that next week she will go around our country talking to families and workers. Fair enough, but what about explaining herself to this parliament? This is a Prime Minister who was not honest with the Australian people before the last election. Fifteen times, no less, I said during the election campaign: as sure as night follows day, if this government is re-elected there will be a carbon tax. We all know what the Prime Minister said. She said, six days before the election, 'There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead.' Then she said, the day before the election, 'I rule out a carbon tax.' That is why standing orders need to be suspended—so this Prime Minister can explain herself. She should explain why she is running away from the people at a plebiscite. She should explain why she is trying to have her carbon tax sneaked through this parliament, whose mandate, if this parliament has any mandate at all, is not to introduce this carbon tax. That is why standing orders should be suspended and that is why this Prime Minister should explain herself.</p><p>This is a Prime Minister who is afraid. She is very afraid. She is afraid of voters, she is afraid of workers, and now she is afraid of this parliament. She will not answer questions this week—we saw that in the parliament today. She will not answer questions next week, because she will not recall the parliament. She will not even face the parliament now. No recent previous Prime Minister would have shown such gutlessness in the face of the parliament. This is the fourth or fifth time that this Prime Minister, in a cowardly fashion, has scurried out of this parliament to have a Tim Tam in the whip's office instead of facing this parliament, as she should, to explain herself.</p><p>Standing orders must be suspended because the arguments that this government relies upon to justify its carbon tax are both lies. This Prime Minister says the thousand big polluters will pay. If it is just a thousand big polluters, why on earth is there a compensation package? Why on earth is there a battlers buffer if it is just the evil 1,000 who are going to have to pay this tax. It is complete nonsense. The voters are not mugs, and the Prime Minister should explain herself, which is why standing orders should be suspended.</p><p>The other lie that this Prime Minister and the government—</p> <p class="speaker">Peter Slipper</p><p>Order!</p> <p class="speaker">Tony Abbott</p><p>The other deception—I withdraw 'lie'—</p> <p class="speaker">Peter Slipper</p><p>The Leader of the Opposition must observe the standing orders which he is trying to suspend.</p> <p class="speaker">Tony Abbott</p><p>The other deception that this Prime Minister relies upon to justify a carbon tax is that the rest of the world is acting. I will tell you what the rest of the world is doing: it is massively increasing its carbon dioxide emissions—by 500 per cent in the case of China; by 350 per cent in the case of India—and it is laughing at us inflicting on ourselves an unnecessary new tax that will be nothing but an act of economic self-harm.</p><p>Standing orders must be suspended because this is the biggest structural change in our economic history and it should not be foisted upon our people, rushed through this parliament, without this Prime Minister giving a much better account of herself than has so far been managed.</p><p>She says it is very important that we have a price signal on so-called carbon pollution. The whole point of a price signal is that if the price is not high the signal does not work. That is what she has to explain: just how high this price signal is going to be. If you cannot trust this Prime Minister to tell the truth, you cannot trust this Prime Minister to get the details of the biggest tax change in our history right. If you cannot trust this government to install pink batts for free without causing fires in hundreds of roofs, you cannot trust them to introduce the biggest tax change in our history. If you cannot trust this government to build school halls without rip-off after rip-off, you cannot trust this government to get the biggest and the most complicated change in our history right.</p><p>Look at what this government have done to the live cattle trade. Haven't they shown a great deal of competence! Haven't they shown a great deal of skill in execution! Haven't they shown the kind of attention to detail that you would like to require of a government that have now embarked upon the biggest and the most complex change in our history! That is why we need the Prime Minister in this parliament now, that is why we need the parliament recalled and that is why we need the parliament to scrutinise the carbon tax changes—because we cannot trust this government to get anything right, let alone the biggest and the most complex change in our history. This is the most incompetent government in our history. They cannot be trusted to get right the most complex change in our history.</p><p>Members opposite know that this Prime Minister and this government are going to get it wrong. Let's face it—this is the Prime Minister who talks to the Greens much more than she talks to her own backbench. This is the Prime Minister who talks to the Independents much more than she talks to the union officials who know what is going on with workers' jobs in our country. If she spent a bit more time talking to Paul Howes and Tony Sheldon about the carbon tax and a bit less time talking to Bob Brown, she would not be getting it so very, very wrong.</p><p>This coalition will be the voice of the voiceless—that is what we will be in this parliament. As former Prime Minister Paul Keating so memorably said: 'If you don't understand it, don't vote for it. If you do understand it, you will never vote for it.' We need to scrutinise this carbon tax. We need more democracy, less hypocrisy. We need more scrutiny, less spin. That is why this suspension should be supported. <i>(Time expired)</i></p> <p class="speaker">Peter Slipper</p><p>Is the motion seconded?</p> <p class="speaker">Joe Hockey</p><p>We knew something was happening yesterday when the Prime Minister said the announcement of the details—</p> <p class="speaker">Peter Slipper</p><p>Order! Is the honourable member going to second the motion?</p> <p class="speaker">Joe Hockey</p><p>I have seconded the motion.</p> <p class="speaker">Peter Slipper</p><p>You have not, but now you have.</p> <p class='motion-notice motion-notice-truncated'>Long debate text truncated.</p>- The majority voted against a motion moved by Leader of the Opposition [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Tony_Abbott&mpc=Warringah&house=representatives Tony Abbott]. This means that it was unsuccessful.
- The motion was:
- ''That so much of the [http://www.peo.gov.au/learning/fact-sheets/standing-orders.html standing and sessional orders] be suspended as would prevent the Member for Warringah moving immediately:''
- ''That the [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Prime Minister] immediately explain why she is so determined to deceive the Australian people about the details of her carbon tax[1] by refusing to release the details for the full scrutiny of the Parliament this week. In particular:''
- ''(1) why should anyone trust:''
- ''(a) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth on the carbon tax now, when, six days before the election, she said that "there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead";[2]''
- ''(b) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when, one day before the election, she said "I rule out a carbon tax";''
- ''(c) the Prime Minister to tell them the truth now, when she said only yesterday that "when I'm in a position to give people the details about a carbon tax I will" yet is refusing to release the details to this Parliament and is hiding from scrutiny;''
- ''(d) this Prime Minister when she is trying to sneak through a carbon tax without a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_%28politics%29 mandate] when the only real mandate of this Parliament is a mandate NOT to introduce a carbon tax; and''
- ''(e) this Prime Minister who rules out giving people a vote on the carbon tax by refusing to call an election and now refusing to allow a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscite plebiscite]; and''
- ''(2) that the House calls on the Prime Minister to recall Parliament next week to debate her carbon tax and give the answers that the forgotten families of Australia are demanding today.''
- References
- * [1] By "carbon tax", Senator Cormann is referring to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Australia carbon pricing mechanism], which will begin on 1 July 2012.
- * [2] Read more about this promise, made by Prime Minister [http://publicwhip-test.openaustraliafoundation.org.au/mp.php?mpn=Julia_Gillard&mpc=Lalor&house=representatives Julia Gillard], on ABC's [http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4369060.html The Drum].
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